Head Coach Cliff Rovelto, Shankar and Taubert Preview Big 12 Championships
May 13, 2021 | Track & Field
This will be the third time K-State has hosted the Big 12 Outdoor Championships and the first time since 2012.
In the midst of his 33rd season at K-State, Rovelto has guided the Wildcats to four Big 12 Women's Outdoor Championships, including in consecutive seasons in 2017 and 2018. The last time the Championships were held in 2019, the K-State women recorded their highest-ever point total (156.5), which resulted in a second-place finish.
The 2018 NCAA Outdoor Champion and a four-time All-American in the high jump, Shankar enters the weekend with the fifth-best mark in the event in the country with a height of 2.25m/7-04.50 at the John Jacobs Invitational on April 23. He swept the Big 12 High Jump Championships in 2019, winning both the indoor (2.28m/7-05.75) and outdoor (2.26m/7-05), while he clinched his second Big 12 Indoor High Jump Championships in 2020 with a mark of 2.23m/7-03.75). He currently owns the Indian National record in both indoor and outdoor in the event.
A three-time First Team All-American in the heptathlon, Taubert currently boasts the fourth-best score this outdoor season. She was the 2020 Big 12 champion in the pentathlon, while she has been the Big 12 runner-up on three occasions, including in the heptathlon at the 2019 Outdoor Championships.
In addition to Shankar and Taubert, several other K-State athletes enter the weekend in the Top 10 of their respective events, including Helene Ingvaldsen (No. 10 in the women's hammer throw), Ashley Petr (No. 9 in women's discus) and Jah Strange (No. 9 in men's triple jump).
The Big 12 Championships will be one of the top college sporting events this spring, as 14 of the 19 men's and women's teams rank among the top-40 in the latest USTFCCCA National Ratings Index, including Top 25 squads in No. 4 Texas women, No. 6 Texas men, No. 7 Iowa State men, No. 8 Texas Tech women, No. 14 Kansas men, No. 18 Oklahoma men, No. 22 Texas Tech men and No. 25 Oklahoma women.
In addition, the Championships will include numerous Olympic hopefuls as well as several members of The Bowerman Trophy (track's version of the Heisman Trophy) Watch List, including Kansas' Zach Bradford (No. 1 in the men's pole vault), Texas' Tara Davis (No. 1 in the women's long jump and No. 2 in the women's 100-meter hurdles) and O'Brien Wasome (No. 1 in the men's triple jump) and Texas Tech's Ruth Osoro (No. 1 in women's triple jump and No. 4 in women's long jump).
Tickets are priced at $10 for adults and $5 for youth, senior citizen and K-State students and currently on sale at www.kstatesports.com/buytickets. Tickets are also available via a walk up basis on Friday beginning at 10 a.m., until 8 p.m., CT, Saturday from 9 a.m., to 7 p.m., CT then on Sunday from noon to 7 p.m., CT. Fans will be issued a digital ticket (print at home or mobile) and they can scan in and out throughout the day using their mobile ticket.
General public seating at R.V. Christian Track and Field Complex for the Championships will be limited to the west grandstand as well as in the south end of the facility via standing room only. Fans will be required to wear a face mask over their mouth and nose at all times in the facility.
HEAD COACH CLIFF ROVELTO
On the excitement of hosting…
"We're very excited to host it. We hosted in 2005 and 2012 and here we are in 2021 so that gives you a pretty good idea of how infrequently you have an opportunity to host an outdoor championship so you have whole classes of kids that never have an opportunity to compete at a conference championship at home. When you have that opportunity, it's special for everybody. It's special for them, their families, and certainly we hope for everyone that's associated with our university that they look forward to putting on championships."
On what the fans can look forward to this weekend…
"I felt like coming into this year that it was going to be unique in the sense that you had a whole class of seniors that were given another opportunity to compete and so now we had 12 of those types of athletes and of that 12 I think 10 or so are in this meet for us this weekend. I don't know what the numbers were for other schools but I know that a few of those schools had a pretty significant number and a very high quality athlete in that group. So we kind of knew that this was going to be a power packed conference championship just because you're adding maybe as many as 50 really high quality athletes that would normally have been there. And it's every bit of that, but I noted personally after the indoor season, certainly after the conclusion of the indoor championship that not only is there a significant number of high quality individual athletes in virtually every event, but the thing that really struck me is that I think that the teams collectively, I think this is as strong as the Big 12 has ever been, even going back into the Big Eight. I just think that you've just got a lot of really good quality teams. I think as an example this weekend on the men's side, you might see the difference between the team that's ninth and the difference in the team that's fifth be around 20 points. That's never happened before. There's always been a much bigger gap than that. So, at the upper end, you have a couple teams that are as good as ever have been put together in the Big 12. But the depth of the quality of the teams is very high. So, that's what struck me this year and it's even what we saw indoors is even more so outdoors it's just there's just a lot of good teams."
On the high level of athletes…
"Number one, I think that just using examples of our team, you had kids like TJ Shankar, Ariel Okorie, Lauren Taubert that were at the NCAA meet indoors when everything got shut down last year. They were obviously tremendously disappointed, really disappointed, and had a great year, no preparation up to that point. And they just refused to just let it end there. They literally trained every day. From that point on to the best of their ability, wherever they had to go to get it done. They were being very creative to get workouts in. And that's just an example of a few kids on our team that I know that I personally work with. I know that that happened with kids on every team. And so the bottom line is that you had a lot of people, not just because of another year of eligibility and the physical maturity that comes with that. But you had a lot of people that took advantage of that time and really trained at a high level. And you've seen that even beyond the collegiate level. There were a lot of unbelievable performances this summer in low key meets and in meets where there really wasn't a lot of competition. It just speaks to how hard those athletes prepared under, in most cases, pretty difficult circumstances. So it's really a tribute to the kids because they just took it upon themselves to work very, very hard and I think a lot of people took advantage of that opportunity to just have more time to train. And that's why you saw so many world records even for that matter, late this past summer, broken. Whatever it was that motivated, whether it was the disappointment of the season, being canceled that spurred them on to work harder or whether it was just the time, the additional time, or a combination of the two, you definitely see a lot of athletes that are just a lot better than they were a year ago."
On the creative training…
"To be honest I don't really know what a lot of them did because they weren't here. I know what those three that I mentioned did because they were here and I was writing their training the entire time. And they were sending me video and then we had an opportunity to actually spend time with them. Those I know for sure. I know that there were a number of the throwers that continued to throw on their own in the summer just like they always have. I think the majority of them did that. Helene (Ingvaldsen) and Ashley (Petr). A number of them did. But beyond that to be really honest, I don't really know who did what, because I wasn't there. I just know for a fact what those kids did because I was sending the training and they're sending me video. Vitoria Alves, she was in Brazil, and there was a long period of time where she couldn't even leave the courtyard of her apartment complex, but she stayed active doing things and then when she had an opportunity to train, she was sending me videos of herself every day, so I was able to watch a good deal of what she did and so forth. So, I know there were others but I just can't speak to exactly who and what they did because I don't really know that."
On the improvements made over the years to the track…
"Well, with respect to the facility, certainly it's pretty. There's no denying that. The color of the track is something that you don't see very often. There's not a whole lot of tracks that color. And it's obviously a special color to us here so we like it. It's nice of the quality of the surface that we're Beynon track builders put that surface in and they do great work. The track where the Olympic trials is going to be held, it's the same surface so it's a quality surface. Aesthetically, I think over time we've been able to do some things that make it very unique. Some of those things benefit us from a training perspective. Some of those things are going to be really nice and unique circumstances for competition so for example the shot put stadium, so to speak, almost nowhere. I can't think of anywhere where you're going to have a championship caliber meet and you're going to have spectators that close. So for those athletes this is going to be hopefully it's a good thing for all of them but it's going to be very unique to have spectators that close, and that many people know yelling for you, they're that close to the ring that that's going to be I think very special for those athletes, and that was my goal to create that environment for them because typically, the closest spectators are 50, 60, 70 meters from the shot ring a lot of times when they're competing, the majority of the spectators, so that's going to be kind of neat for them. You know we can throw the long throws, the jav and the disc both directions, typically wherever the winds are coming from. Historically it's going to be more true north and south this time of the year and the rings are exactly where they need to be to take advantage of those winds so that'll be great for the kids and the same thing with the javelin. But I think that if Mother Nature's good to us the straightaway races are going to be really special. I think you're going to see unbelievably fast 100s. You're going to see really, really fast hurdle races on the straightaway. And then the horizontal jumps will be unbelievable, one because you've got the best athletes in the country here. But the runways in the conditions are going to lend themselves to phenomenal performances. So I think that the facility is going to really contribute a lot to the competition."
On Lauren Taubert not competing in indoor…
"She did have an opportunity to compete in a couple meets at home, and I think even she did one over at the University of Kansas during the indoor season so it's not like she didn't compete. She just didn't have a taste of championship competition, the Big 12 or NCAA meet. But she had quality marks throughout the indoor season and she's already had a number of PRs during the outdoor season so I don't think it affected not having the opportunity to compete. From a collegiate perspective during the indoor season, I don't think it had any negative impact on her whatsoever."
On what a successful performance would be from K-State…
"On paper at the beginning of the year, and even up until very recently for sure I would say that this on paper is probably as good a women's team as we've ever had and the gals have won the conference championship four times in the life of the Big 12, so I think that is saying something. Having said that, I think the University of Texas women might be the best conference level team I've seen in my 40 years of coaching. They are absolutely phenomenal. I don't think there is any doubt that they'll set the conference scoring record this week. A couple years ago, we got second to them. We scored 156 points which is 30 points more than we'd ever scored before in winning the conference championship, and they beat us. And they're better now than they were two years ago. They are phenomenal. Texas Tech also has, without question, the best women's team they've ever had. It's not even close. So I think that you've got three really strong teams. The University of Oklahoma has also got a strong women's team, very strong. So I think you could see as many as four schools over 100 points in this meet, which I don't think has ever happened before. So on the women's side it's really really strong and hopefully we're in the top three. Where we fall out, I don't know but I think that's where we should be. On the men's side. I think we're more towards the middle. I think that we're going to be more towards the middle. I think that the difference between the teams that are fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh is not very great. A lot of it's going to just come down to how individually the athletes compete and probably a little bit of luck or lack thereof, but there's not going to be a lot of separation between those four schools I don't think."
On key events that might swing things…
"We've had a little bit of bad luck with respect to the weather. A couple of weeks ago we went to Texas A&M and basically all of our speed, power people were going to be competing in their best events that weekend against great competition, and then the meet was canceled because of weather. So, I think we definitely have some people that have not put up the mark that they're capable of putting up because they didn't have the opportunity to. I think the speed, power events are areas where we can pick up a little bit that it wouldn't, if you look at the rankings right now, you won't see him in the top eight but I think there's some people that can get into the top eight, but the events where we have not only quality but quality depth. The women's side for example the hammer. We know there's four girls that should I think be among the top eight. The shot, disc or pivotal events, again because there's so many quality people and there's not that much distinction between them in terms of the marks that they've put up so far this year, the women's discus is unbelievable. There are going to be people that would for sure throw over 50 meters in the discus, that won't score in this meet. I can remember years where 50 meters was second in this meet, and they won't even be in the top eight this year. So, there's some events that are just unbelievable, but the women's shot is a fairly deep event and there's not a huge gap between those top four or five girls. So, literally in the discus and the shot. There would not be a surprise I don't think in most people's minds if any of five girls won. That's a big swing, points you gain or lose versus the points that the team you're competing against gains or loses on those swings. Those are certainly pivotal. The hurdles, both on the women's side both the 100 hurdles and 400 hurdles are events that could be big for us, but they're also going to be big for Texas and Texas Tech. So those will be pretty pivotal."
On the heptathlon…
"The interesting thing is they all have similar strengths and weaknesses. So I think it's going to come down to who is the strongest in their strong events and who is the least weak in their weak events? Lauren (Taubert) and Kaylee (Hinton), Lauren historically has been a little bit better than Kaylee in the shot and the jav. Kaylee's made some improvements there, so the gap is not what it used to be. Hurdles, 200, long jump, they're very similar. Kaylee's probably a little bit stronger high jumper. Lauren's a little bit stronger 800 meter runner. So they're pretty similar in a lot of ways. The other Tech gal is a strong thrower, really strong javelin thrower. She could end up throwing 14, 15 meters farther than the second best girl in the javelin in the heptathlon. She's very, very strong, but I was very impressed watching her compete in Tucson earlier this year, because they competed in the same heptathlon as us at the beginning of the outdoor season. Callie (Jones) was very, very impressive. She's gonna be very, very good I think going forward. She's new, relatively new to the event, but she's going to be very good."
On being the first event at K-State with 100 percent capacity…
"We're really pleased with that. A lot of our parents in general, travel pretty well historically. For example, when the combined event kids, because sometimes they might be doing a different meet than some of the other team that particular weekend. Their families are always there. They've never not been there and they've still been there this year but sometimes they've had to watch from outside the fence, they're not even inside the facility. A lot of our families have, our throwers and a lot of our family and what's really amazing is a lot of the families that don't live in this area. Justin Davis has had family come from Washington DC to, I think they've been at every conference championship since he's been in school. So they travel pretty well typically, and this year has been tough on them and it's been obviously different for the kids and it's unfortunate. So we're really excited that they're all going to be able to be here and hopefully the weather stays decent enough that people want to come out and watch because there's a lot of phenomenal athletes and it's gonna be a great competition. As far as hosting, we're really excited because there's so many student athletes that don't get an opportunity to compete at a championship level competition at their home venue. It's very rare. Eight, nine, 10 years between, you've got three or four classes of student athletes that don't get that opportunity so they're excited. We're excited for them. Competing at home is a little bit of an advantage, you sleep in your own bed and what you want to eat, where you want to eat and it's just easier. I'm looking forward to it. I know that our students are. We're really excited about competing at home."
LAUREN TAUBERT, SENIOR HEPTATHLETE
On the excitement of hosting the Big 12 Championship…
"Just thinking about coming here my freshman year and knowing that I was going to compete at home in my last meet as a senior, it's been super exciting all four years and just knowing my last meet at a Big 12 Conference meet will be at home, so I've been looking forward to it. When COVID cancelled Big 12 last year, I was really scared that it was going to be taken away from us, the home meet so that's just a big blessing, a huge blessing to compete at Big 12's at home for my senior year."
On how training has been going…
"Training has been good. I actually did a heptathlon in San Antonio, our very first meet, because we weren't sure if Arizona was going to have that meet or not. Training has been going good. I've had some issues with my knee the past couple of weeks, which has been a little scary but last week was definitely reassuring coming back out. I've had two PRs in the long jump, and the hurdles, so that was something I needed to prove to myself that I will be okay for this weekend and just been taking care of myself. Recovery has been big these past couple weeks, so I'm ready to go though."
On what drew her to the multi events…
"I started running track when I was around nine years old, and I think my parents were definitely the first ones to see that I was a pretty well-rounded athlete, and they definitely got me involved in the AAU and USA track meets. They put me in all those. I went to probably every USA Track meet every summer and I did the pentathlon and then the heptathlon, so I would definitely give credit to my parents on that one."
On the depth of the Big 12 Conference…
"I think it's super special to be a part of this year's group and just get to compete with some of the most talented athletes and seeing some of the world's best athletes compete at these meets like Tara Davis (Texas) and getting to compete against Kaylee Hinton (Texas Tech), and Callie Jones (Texas Tech), I just competed against her in Arizona and she was very impressive too so just coming in and getting to compete with some of the people I've been competing with for a long time and then also some new girls that are very talented. I think I really enjoyed competing against them."
On the K-State facilities…
"The track has definitely changed a lot. It's gotten resurfaced. A lot of updates to the lifting areas and things like that but I think our surface that we have now, I really like it a lot. We did a couple of things this summer on it. We did a 45-minute hep and a 30-minute pent, and my scores in those were pretty good. Then considering last weekend, as well, with my time in the 100 hurdles and the long jump, so I'm super excited to see the scores that people put up this weekend. I definitely think that there will be records broken at the RVC Track." .
On Coach Rovelto…
"Well Coach Rovelto is one of the reasons I came to K State, one of the big reasons. He's a very good multi coach, high jump coach. I think our relationship has definitely grown over the past four years. He understands me as an athlete, and I've adapted to all of his training and I think a big thing with him was just trusting the process. He tells all of his athletes that, and I think once you actually believe that and you trust his workouts and what he's telling you to do, anything is possible."
On the keys this weekend…
"I think what I'm focused on most this weekend is just taking each event one event at a time and focusing on the technical aspects of each event. I don't have a certain mark for each event. I have goals in mind where I want to be, but not for this meet. If I start overthinking things and start thinking about numbers, it's never good for me so I'm just gonna focus on what I need to do technically."
On the advantages of competing at home…
"I definitely think that just getting to practice every day at the track and you know what the surface is like and just having focal points to look at like in the high jump, I know the pit is gonna be here so this is where I'm gonna look at my approach or things like that. That's been really helpful and with this visualization too, when I'm just visualizing I can see myself at the track and what it's going to look like."
On her strongest events…
"I think my hurdles have definitely gotten stronger. My long jump has really improved this year, and my 100 has always been a strong event. I'm hoping to put up some big scores in those and hopefully that will help my overall total."
On what teammates could break out at the Big 12 meet…
"I definitely think that Urte (Bacianskaite) has the potential to have a huge PR at this meet. We've been doing some testing and then just in practice with her high jump and her long jump, she's really been putting up some good marks in practice and I'm definitely excited to see her score well."
On the top parts of the K-State facilities…
"Something that's unique to me would be the Olympic rings on the track. I think that those are so special because Coach has coached so many Olympic athletes and not a lot of people realize that we have a lot of big time athletes that have come out of K-State on the track on both sides. I definitely look over there when I'm training or whatever every once in a while and they motivate me. Even in practice, my goal someday is to go to the Olympics so it's definitely a big motivator to me."
On which events will be crucial this weekend…
"In the heptathlon usually there's events that you score higher in or you can get more points in, and those are the high jump and the long jump. So those are really important events to do well in just because you get more points in those events usually."
On having 100 percent capacity this weekend…
"I'm so grateful that it's at full capacity because my family travels all the time for my track meets, and at the beginning of the year when we went to San Antonio, my dad came to watch the hep and he wasn't able to get in but he still watched from the fence. So just knowing that all my family will be there watching you and cheering me on from the stands means so much to me. I definitely think that it will help bring more people in just because with COVID, a lot of things people haven't been able to watch and now people are just wanting to get out and support K-State and athletics so I'm super glad that we're allowing full capacity."
TJ SHANKAR, JUNIOR JUMPS
On the excitement level for this meet…
"I feel like the magnitude of the event is the fact that last time the meet happened was in 2012 at K-State, and I hadn't even started competing in track & field at that time, because I only started in 2013, and I was in sixth grade so just to imagine that I was in sixth grade when last time we hosted the meet and now I get a chance to compete at a home meet and I'm in my last year of college is a long span of time and just really incredible to think about. That being said, we go there every day. We train there in that track every day but then today when I walked in there, there's like tents and all these banners and posters all around the track so that's really interesting to see and it just looked like a different venue, didn't even look like our normal venue so I'm really excited to just go there and the fact that it's going to feel familiar but at the same time there's going to be our old competitors all the top athletes from different schools, and just the fact that there's going to be some teachers, some students, some friends who we were able to put on our pass list who will be able to come and watch so it's really exciting. Every time they listen to our story or they watch it on video or something like that but this time for them to have an opportunity to actually come and watch us live I think that's really exciting and I've only competed once outdoors in any track meet at K-State, so this would be my second meet on the track, I'm really excited to see how that goes."
On how training has been going…
"I think the training is going really good. In the way I came in, the way I like to see it as in my freshman year I had really high marks, and that's because I was only focused on high jump, but over time I realized that I can do other events as well. So, while doing other events., I had to devote a lot of time to training for those events as well and then that's why I saw not a major difference but some sort of a drop in my high jump marks, but at the same time, I know that the moment I go back to doing high jumping, those marks will come back so over the past few weeks we've been able to train for the high jump a little bit more. So I think if the weather cooperates and everything goes the way it should, then I think it will be a really great weekend and then I hope to see a big mark and surprise myself in the high jump."
On expanding from just the high jump…
"So now that I look back I think that it was definitely not a wrong decision, because when this all started in my freshman year in the beginning of the year, usually when you come in as freshmen and every year during the fall semester we have some sort of a testing every year just to see where we were at and what we did over summer just to see physically how capable you are doing multiple things. So it has nothing to do with an individual track event, but it's just general baseline testing so we do some running sprints and just test for explosives and all that sort of thing. So I happened to do a 300 meter run, so it's a 300 meter time trial to see how fast I could run, and I was on par with the 400 meter guys at that time on our team and I was just a freshman coming in. So the coach said, 'Hey, I think you should also be on the 4x4 and I think that will help you with just conditioning and you wouldn't be limited to high jump training and you wouldn't be limited to that and you'll be able to do multiple things because at that time I was 18 years old. When you're 18 years old, you don't want to really specialize in one thing but you want to make sure that you're a better athlete before you can be a better high jumper. That way, over the course of time if you want to jump for 20 years or 25 years then you have a solid base to be able to do that. So I bought into it. If you say that I'll try and do it. So one thing led to the other and the other thing led to the third thing. I started doing the 4x4, then I started doing some long jump and he convinced me. Let's do it. Then I started in the triple jump and then I started in the hurdles, and by the time I saw it, I was already doing the pentathlon. If I did the pentathlon, I might as well do the heptathlon. I figured out that I did the heptathlon and now we're thinking about okay, by the time I graduate, I might as well do the decathlon, there's no point in doing seven events and just finish it off at 10. So, it's been like a rabbit hole, but at the same time I think the years in college are more so have fun and build a strong base, if I want to continue doing high jumping for a long time, I feel like in the beginning you need to have a strong base and then that's what we've been doing now and I've really been liking what I've been doing."
On how proud he is of his accomplishments…
"I think it's really great. I think a lot of times you should be really happy and satisfied with your accomplishments. I feel like the reason I'm really grounded is because being at K-State, every time you look up and you look at those names, you're always humbled. You have people like Erik (Kynard) and all these people are Akela Jones and all these big names out there and I don't think I've done anything, so it keeps you on your toes and all the time you're always hungry for more. I think that's really been the advantage of being at a program like K-State where you're always looking to do more rather than being happy with what you have done. So, given the fact that I have one more year of eligibility, I want to be among those people and I've had one national title, try for a second one, try and go for third one will have the opportunity. I think that when I will be able to after five years, I'll be able to say that I was on par with those people because at this point I feel like at K-State you have to have won the national championship at the very least. So to get to that point, I guess there's still a lot of work to be done and I'm willing to do that."
On the advantage of competing at home…
"More so I feel like for me it's the crowd support. You want a clap going on sometimes. In some facilities, the crowds are really hostile. They just clap for their students but they don't clap for other people. So I feel like we will have that advantage this time, there'd be a lot of people clapping for K-State athletes so I think that will really get my morale up if I'm in that position, but other than that I think just being able to compete at a place where you dreamed of going in the first place and in front of your professors, your friends and fellow teammates, I think it'd be really exciting and that's what I'm looking forward to."
On coming to K-State from India…
"When I came here, there's a big story of how I ended up at K-State but once I got here, I looked at the facilities and I got a chance to interact with coach and the way he was talking to me. I feel like any coach in the beginning, even if you come and you've jumped out of high school and you come to a program, I don't think any coach will tell you, 'I think you should start doing some 400 meters just for fun.' Every coach will be, 'Okay, how can I maximize and make sure that this person jumps high and make the most out of him in these four years?' But then I talked to the coach and that was not his mentality. His mentality was, 'What can you do for a long period of time?' That's when I knew that this is the place where I want to be because I don't want to max out at four years but I want to make sure that I have a long career. So that being said, a lot of things were on par or better than our Olympic Training Center at K-State. The Vanier Complex or the track and all those sorts of things, you can come and train anytime. In the US, every high school has a track. In our state we have like two or three tracks. So, just to be able to train whenever, especially during COVID time, it was really tough to be able to train because the complexes were closed. The K-State complexes were closed. The middle school complex was open so I was able to go there and do my routines. So just the accessibility, being able to access things and just availability of things. I think that makes a big difference. Because even if you want to do things, you can't do it because you can't access the facility. I think that really hampers everybody's growth and their motivation so I think all those things were never a problem for me. And that's why I think coming here was a big opportunity in disguise or just kind of like a blessing to be able to compete here and that's the difference I felt. The accessibility of things, and expertise which was always available. And again, coming from a country like India, which does not have a track and field medal. I feel like there's all these big responsibilities, especially when you jump high. 'Oh he's gonna win the next Olympic medal this and that.' There's a lot of times it's really important to block the noise which I've been able to do up to this point, so let's not get too carried away or if you have a bad performance, 'Oh what's happening? He went all the way to the US and he could have done this in India.' You hear people saying both sides of the board at both ends of the spectrum, so you just have to learn how to avoid it or get motivated by it."
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